He will call on me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. The day funeral homes offer that EF option with the permission of the bishops tradition will blossom. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. Karl, I always appreciate your posts on this forum. I’ve noticed that many funerals at many parishes are accompanied musically by “On Eagles’ Wings” and “I Am the Bread of Life.” Families probably demand this music because that is all they have ever heard at funerals. After all, it was reported in the New York Times that the Cardinal had specifically requested the playing of "Morning Has Broken," by Cat Stevens, to accompany the entrance of the casket when his body was placed on public view a day or two before the funeral … That is why it has an Asian sound to it. Why would you have an objection to it? I was at a TLM today and one thing was really noticable…all the Gregorian chants are in a minor key. You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord,Who abide in His shadow for life,Say to the Lord, "My Refuge,My Rock in Whom I trust.". To be honest, this is exactly what has destroyed the protestant churches and I hate to see it happening to the one true Church. A funeral should be a time of prayer for mercy, forgiveness and for the expiation of our dead loved one’s sins. Its Gods Truth That has been confused by such liugical argument. I really do not know how it ever got into a Catholic hymnal. I would love to have a true Requiem Mass for me. Report abuses to the Diocese Bishop, and if that does not work to the US Papal Nuncio and the Vatican. I really do not know what is wrong with some of you people. If you just want to sit quietly and watch and not get involved, buy a t.v. The Three Last Things, according to the teachings of the Church, are heaven, hell and purgatory. I find NOTHING un-Catholic or anti-Papal about the wonderful hymn “The Church’s One Foundation” — it quotes the Scriptures, as the Catholic Church does. And He will raise you up on eagle's wings,Bear you on the breath of dawn,Make you to shine like the sun,And hold you in the palm of His Hand.And hold you in the palm of His Hand. amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; Rosary services, who goes to them? Bob One – It depends – if you want to praise God, or praise the Church. Pain and suffering do happen there for atoning to God for our sins. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher. I cringe at these terrible songs. — give to a “dining room” for the homeless, so they can get a hot meal. If you prefer more traditional hymns, fine — be clear about that. When the pianist plays the opening passages of “On Eagle’s Wings,” the mood in the church always shifts. I pray that it will change soon. “There is ONE Mediator between God and man — the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Timothy 2:5 This is from the Word of God, and there is nothing un-Catholic about it. (1 Timothy, chapter one…) Paul’s words are a description of the ‘amazing grace’ that comes to us from above and “saved a wretch like me.”, Michael – We had the same reading at Mass today, accompanied later by ‘Amazing Grace” – which I have always liked as a ‘singable song’…. You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord, Who abide in His shadow for life, Say to the Lord, "My Refuge, My Rock in Whom I trust." One has to be in a state of grace, no attachment to sin, to gain the indulgence. Original lyrics of On Eagles' Wings song by Religious Music. The snare of the fowler will never capture you, and famine will bring you no fear: under His wings your refuge, His faithfulness your shield. Thanks, though, Anonymous, for correcting my error. your own Pins on Pinterest Discover (and save!) But to obsess about it at the level Mr. Patenaude must is downright unhealthy. “Beloved: I am grateful to him who has strengthened me, Christ Jesus our Lord, because he considered me trustworthy in appointing me to the ministry. And while I’ve watched only one celebrant rearrange people in the front pews to hold their hands, many do preach Masses of Canonization. The Bible is the Word of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit — and you know what the Scriptures say about those who sin against the Holy Spirit. I do not hold hands during the Our Father, nor do I shake hands. Maybe he genuinely liked "On Eagle's Wings." (WC = We Celebrate Hymnal). Your statement is wrong, Rodda. Dana and Anne T you two are funny. “Amazing Grace” is not heretical, either — LISTEN to the words of Saint Paul this weekend at Holy Mass! Just to stir the pot? Regarding our duty – Jesus said: “judging with right judgment”: 7:24. Yes, Fr. The Catholic Church teaches that lovemaking between wife and husband is for new life, but also for their greater happiness and union AS A COUPLE. The purpose of a MASS is not to console the living – but to pray for the salvation of the Soul of the deceased. And He will raise you up on eagle's wings, Bear you on the breath of dawn, Make you to shine like the sun, And hold you in the palm of His Hand. A funeral mass is not a time to “remember the deceased and the live(life) lived, comfort the grieving, pray for all , and recommit their lives to Christian service”. Since only God knows if someone has gone straight to Heaven, is spending time in Purgatory, or is in Hell for eternity – – – during the eulogy we should all be asked to pray for the Soul of the deceased. EF is not forbiden by the Church any longer. It is not traditional ritual that has been watered down. Sadly, many may remember only these words…. Source: https://www.hymnal.net/hymn.php/h/833#ixzz2fBJlvtvI. The Good Lord knows, even if you don’t Mr. Good Cause, that I’m trying, but I’m no saint. Coming from a Protestant background I do love some of those old hymns such as “Amazing Grace” because I know the anti slavery background of the author, but it really should not be sung in a Catholic Church because it does not fit into Catholic theology. The songs that I am considering are: Ave Maria (entrance hymn) prior to start of Mass. 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.” Read all of Mathew and you will see that all the promises begin with ‘if’ or ‘when’ or ‘because’ etc. It must be a comfort that hers was a life well lived. If Good Cause judges that “most people” will go to heaven, then I guess “most people” don’t need to practice their Catholic faith [or no faith]…all we have to do is live a life of Christian service and do things that everyone can talk about at their funeral! Math. Here are the words: •The Church’s one foundation Is Jesus Christ her Lord; She is His new creation By water and the Word: From heav’n He came and sought her To be His holy Bride; With His own blood He bought her, And for her life He died. •Elect from every nation, Yet one o’er all the earth, Her charter of salvation, One Lord, one faith, one birth; One holy Name she blesses, Partakes one holy food, And to one hope she presses, With every grace endued. I guess we often find people saying things because we don’t want to offend or hurt the person that is grieving. Jewish music is invariably in a minor key…still is. Boring! Well, some Protestants or groups of Protestant were calling Catholics anti Christs at that time and encouraging the breaking of statues because they asked the prayers of the Virgin Mary, etc., so there was not much camaraderie all the way around, Michael. People can have a eulogy at the Rosary or some small mention of the some good things the deceased has done by the priest at the Mass, but there should be NO canonization. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. I though the Pope was the only one that can do this? I almost regurgitate every tine I hear that “music.”, Pops, If people would go to Psalm 91, they would see that though it’s a gorgeous Psalm meant to bring comfort and hope to believers, it’s basically about us in mankind through David… “Because he loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. On Eagles Wings On Eagle's Wings - Michael Joncas ... My Rock in Whom I trust." It is far more than that. Comment and share your favourite lyrics. Praise Songs. Mel, once again, it’s a psalm. We’ve already had lethal riots in the Capitol building. 1) Mass must be said according to GIRM; 2) We should pick appropriate music – not songs praising each other, or that are false and do not give God his due praise; 3) During the eulogy we must ask for prayers for our Soul, and the Souls of others in Purgatory. The snare of the fowler will never capture you, On Eagles Wings by Funeral Music Group Listen to On Eagles Wings by Funeral Music Group. It is practically sung weekly in many Lutheran churches. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain. The clergy unwilling to stand up and explain true Roman Catholic Church teaching like they did years ago are not doing any favors for the deceased bound for or in purgatory, when the deceased’s left behind loved ones aren’t praying for the deceased because they have been told the deceased is serving spaghetti for loved ones (or whatever) that are all in heaven too. To say it is improper at a funeral is to say Scripture is improper. The hymn ” On Eagles Wings ” is based upon Ps 91 and Isaiah 40:31. Anne, I think you mean the “Adoremus Hymnal,” which comes from the Latin “let us adore.” “Adoramus” means “we adore,” an is the Gloria, “Adoramus te/We adore you.” It’s like like the Latin word “Oremus,” which means “Let us pray,” as opposed to “Oramus/We pray.” Oops, sorry for getting so boring… :). Apr 23, 2014 - On Eagle's Wings is an excellent song for the end of the funeral. One has to wonder why author William L. Patenaude wrote this story? Also praying for those affected by South America blazes. Judgemental folks always think the worst about people, but positive faith filled people always think the best. They also force the poorly catechized and the uninitiated to choose between what little they know of heaven and what they fear most about hell. We have no idea of how or when the purification takes place; for all we know it might take the equivalent of a nonosecond after death and all our attempts, saints and visionaries included, to describe the purification in terms of the earthly sufferings we know anything about are likewise nonsense. And to give God the respect due to Him alone. There may be some biblical background to these and other modern hymns, but nevertheless, they are terrible tunes. In the Psalm, the angels are given charge over thee (Ver. Funeral ceremonies in Christian churches will generally be required to only have religious music and hymns during the service. NEVER hide from or withhold the TRUTH of our Faith. I have a priest friend, and he too abhors this song. M.M., Every now and then I go to the local happy-clappy Mass just to remind myself how bad things are in the Oakland Diocese. And often, as Sandy demonstrated, no matter how many times a loved one hears that the deceased is in heaven, it is understandable if they spend the rest of their lives secretly wondering otherwise. ”. I do not like “The Bread of Life”, though, because quite frankly, it is heretical. If we don’t judge, we can’t pursue virtue. amzn_assoc_placement = ""; I think he just thingks “Amazing Grace” is too Protestant for some reason. You know “Uncle Bob” is in a “better place”, “he’s with the angels”, “he’s watching over us”, “he’s giving Jesus a high five”, etc etc. All others deaths, our own included, are not of divine origin. The Roman Catholic Church is NOT in ruins, but is guided by the risen Lord Jesus Christ, and will continue to be guided by Him until His glorious return. Where I have a real problem with “On eagles wings” is the refrain: “And He will raise you up on eagles’ wings Bear you on the breath of dawn Make you to shine like the sun And hold you in the palm of His hand.” The closest reference to “eagles wings” is verse 4 of the psalm: “He will overshadow thee with his shoulders: and under his wings thou shalt trust.” (I guess like a eagle protecting her young.) Remember when prayer cards were given to people as they exited the church after the funeral? Joncas wrote the piece in either 1976 or 1979, after he and his friend, Douglas Hall, returned from a meal to learn that Hall's father had died of a heart attack. Most people are unprepared for their own funeral Mass, and if death is sudden family usually has not done any planning either and must rely on the recommendations of a Priest or another. “If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.” 1 John 1:8. The song “I am the Bread of Life” is sung in the person of Jesus until the last verse. Chant was supposed to be re-introduced into the Mass with the new translations of 2011, but this has not occurred. All Masses MUST adhere to GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal) which can be found on the Vatican web site as well as the USCCB web site. Hymns and sacred music must be directed towards God, and not be man centered. folks I could not help that one. The following comes from a Sept. 9 story on Catholic World Report. EWA proactively monitors and manages until the loved one is delivered to receiving home. May she rest in peace. But putting to one side the Church’s lengthy investigations of the miraculous, we typically aren’t privy to a person’s particular judgment. Perhaps this is the reason so much attention is now focused on resurrection rather than purgation. We’re not even qualified to THINK of applying for the job! Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. Yeah, I’m one of those throw-back Neanderthal, conservative Catholics – AND PROUD OF IT!!!!! Some dingbats heard from Sister Mary in 2nd grade that Protestant hymns are all anti-Catholic, and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. As one who has attended far too many funerals, as a former Honor Guard member during the Viet Nam era, I can say the following: The purpose of a funeral is to console the living, nothing more. There’s a tendency now to see the Church as a democracy and that if enough people want to vote on issues then it’s okay to make adaptations to sacred liturgy. But sadly, most Catholics just want to have fun at Mass and get all warm and fuzzy inside. A very holy priest I know once told his brother priest that when he dies; if he is in Purgatory, and they preach he is in Heaven, he will come back and haunt them! Hymns like this, though sweet, are about us and what God does for us. This is also true of Masses for the Dead. haha Anyway, it’s a good song to sing around the campfire, but too lightweight to be used in Mass. Would it be the tune? All I can say is I am grateful that my family will pray for the repose of my soul and have masses said for me. Pastor Vince Gerhardy. “These bishops’ statements are an answer to our prayers”, Consecrate yourself to your guardian angel. See Bible: 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7; Mt 12:31; Praying for the Dead – Bible: 2 Mac 12:38-46. My favorite English hymns are in the Adoramus and Westminster Catholic hymnals as I was brought up with that kind of English for Church use so to me it seems special. An indulgence can be applied to ones self or to the dead but not the living. We must all start demanding that the Holy Mass be properly said, in order to bring Souls to God and His Church. I do not know that much about the song, or hymn, “Eagle Wing’s”. It does sound as if it smacks of the total depravity of human nature theology of Calvinism, but I really do not think that is what the author meant. But for that reason I was mercifully treated, so that in me, as the foremost, Christ Jesus might display all his patience as an example for those who would come to believe in him for everlasting life. The man who wrote it was a past slave ship owner, and he was talking about himself and all the horrible things he had done. You shouldn’t be! Find your perfect arrangement and access a variety of transpositions so you can print and play instantly, anywhere. amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "funehelp-21"; You are correct, Michael, I misspelled it. I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and arrogant, but I have been mercifully treated because I acted out of ignorance in my unbelief. It was another hymn evidently that my friend refused to use. I appreciate this dialogue, it does help shine light into what is now being desensitized or it may help us to better understand our behaviors that we often do out of habit without realizing that we are offending God. He repositioned people in the front few pews and lead the prayer while holding the hands of various family members and pall bearers, even though the coffin was in the way. CCC: ” 1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. A good book on the choices of prayers permitted is: “Through Death to Life” (preparing to celebrate the Funeral Mass.) Western I heard that before but the words don’t seem that way except for the wretch part but in consideration of what Anne T said, seems like the author of the song went through great suffering and this song may have been his consolation to help him through nearer to Christ, from what faith he held. I need their prayers. Abeca Christian, the author also turned to Christianity while reading Thomas a Kempis’s Imitation of Christ, a very Catholic book by a monk. My husband has no problem with the Confiteor. With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.” Mass should always focus on our Lord…every word, every piece of music, every action. Never mind that at his funeral all gathered should be praying for the man’s eternal soul. Someone on our street died and most neighbors, who are mainly Jewish, did show up. — send money to a cause you really believe in, such as the retirement fund of a religious order that raised you in the faith. He did. Sermon Isaiah 40:27-30 Rising on Wings Like Eagles. “The wages of sin are death”. Is that really considered anti-catholic by some? Doesn’t seem to carry the same message as most of the funeral celebrants are preaching at the deceased rosaries, funerals, and graveyard services for the last few decades. Canonoizing the dead? The Catholic Church teaches that the funeral rites should talk about what God has done and is doing through His Son, Jesus Christ. Now this would really be a timely song, “Operator, get heaven on the line (Make sure you dial the right number) I got to call Him cause something’s on my mind (This is a urgent call, no one else will do) Operator (Get haven) get heaven on the line (on the line, make sure they answer) Make sure they answer cause I’m runnin’ out of time (cause I’m runnin’ out of time listen). My wife died on May 7, 2009, and one of the songs that she requested for her funeral Mass was On Eagle’s Wings. Purgatory is a good idea but this determination to force it into our human conception of time–so much earth time in Purgatory–is way above our human pay grade. I remember vividly the casket being cloaked in black and black vestments on the priest. One of the most famous passages would be in Isaiah 40:31: “you will soar on eagles wings.” It is the words of Jesus from the gospel of John, chapter 6. You’re probably witnessing liturgical abuses when the woman in the pew behind you asks out loud, “What the hell is he doing?”. The older Catholic Bibles show what we are discussing here as Psalm 90.